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Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 219 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 4:22 am: | |
Here are just a few ones. Some of them are really unwinnable, but who knows: ST #1290 STH #155 Acquaintance #366 (winnable, but nice), #373 (easy winnable, but interesting, that seems till the end a difficult one) 5 piles #225, #229 Verticals #120, #131, #134, #143 Eagle Wings 19 #43 Patient Pairs #4, #10, #11, #27, #29, #30, #33 |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3639 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 6:07 am: | |
STH #155 is quite easy. Have to go out now. Will try the others later |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3640 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 9:45 am: | |
Both Eagle Wings are winnable if you are playing EW (13). Which Eagle Wing is it that you want? |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 222 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 11:56 am: | |
Richard, i did mean Eagle Wings [19], #43. Sorry for the wrong writing. I agree, STH #155 is quite easy. Seems i am more thick, than i thought. It's the 4th day with feaver. Got it now, after a nap. |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 223 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 11:59 am: | |
I did not mean thick but ill. Seems there is chaos in my brain at present. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3642 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 3:09 pm: | |
"Thick as a parrot"? should create more chaos in your brain Markus. Have not won any of your other games except the ones mentioned above. Which eEagle Wings did you mean? |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 225 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 1:48 am: | |
Eagle Wings [19]. (With 19 cards in the middle. Game #43. Do you really mean, that you did not get one of the others? There had been some, where i could get close (scores 50,48,...), but i can't win them. That would be the first time. (The tortoise changed into the second gear.) I saw your climb mode Interchange stats. I want to win every game at least one time. You know i play normally in climb mode. But seeing that, it does not make sense. Why should i try the same as you already did, with the same finish, of not winning. Whats your advice? And one more thing: it would have been everything right, when i would have written SICK . But health is getting better. Today i feel already a little bit like a human beeing. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3648 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 4:43 am: | |
I do not like that style of game Markus. There is little opportunity to make clever moves. It is mainly luck. I prefer skill games. I have managed to get high scores without winning them. Interchange is a VERY difficult game. Anyone who wants to win it in Climb Mode has a very long road to travel. There may not be one winner in 10,000 - 20,000, who knows? I suggested at long time ago that each player should be able to choose a number to start on in climb mode, anything that ends in three zeros (****000) for example. I was told that the whole idea of climb mode was that everyone would play identical numbers. The weakness of this point of view, this argument,is becoming more obvious. I'm glad that your health is improving and that you are now feeling like a human being. Parrots can speak.....but can they type? Ha! |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 228 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 11:01 am: | |
The tortoise head is putting his nose out of the shelf again, but the eyes are still deep inside. "I do not like that style of game Markus." Which game do you mean Richard? I like also more the skill ones, so long, as they are playable in an meanful waste of time. When i see, that Gregg did a game, but it take him 90 minutes, than i think, i have to get older, till i have the wisdom, the patience and the time to try it so long. |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 233 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 2:33 am: | |
Wanted to play ForeCell. When i am watching for example Greggs stats in climb mode, they show me, that the first two games are winnable: When i then look at the start of game #1, i don't understand how he did this. I clicked every card, nothing happens and the rules in my opinion also say that. Have i missed something about that game? When not, how could Gregg then win #1? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3661 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 7:08 am: | |
There must have been some kind of a problem when Gregg played this one. It is completely unwinnable. |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 236 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 8:15 am: | |
I hope, that Thomas and Gregg see this and give answers. |
Gregg Seelhoff (Seelhoff) Master Solitaire Player Username: Seelhoff
Post Number: 413 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 10:42 am: | |
>There must have been some kind of a problem when Gregg played this one. It is completely unwinnable. Yeah, I guess! The problem is that I play the games during development and testing, so it is possible for me to accidentally exploit a bug before it is fixed. That must have been the case here, as I cannot see how it is playable, much less winnable. Oops! I will erase that score and start again. (This is why we added the product identifier, by the way; it helps us identify versions that might have an exploitable bug.) Thanks for catching this.
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Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 239 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 11:36 am: | |
Your welcome. ;-) |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 253 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 6:53 am: | |
Fifteen puzzle #5 ST #1359 STH #156 Bakers game #28 Patient Pairs #33, #39 |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3715 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 7:47 am: | |
ST1359 is winnable.Quite easy too. (Laying tiles. Will try others later). |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 254 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 11:02 am: | |
Sorry, Richard, i meant ST #1360. I looked wrong. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3716 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 12:57 pm: | |
None of your games look winnable to me Markus. |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 255 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 1:19 pm: | |
How about the Bakers game. I got stuck always with one move missing. Is there really no solution? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3717 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 1:42 pm: | |
I can get close with the Bakers Game but not close enough. I will try again. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 56 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 11:56 pm: | |
Need help with Double Sea Towers #1213097728. If it's winnable, could I get some first few moves to get me going? |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 256 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 1:17 am: | |
Will try todays eve, that means in about 8 hours. But obviously will be Richard faster to answer if it is winnable and how. He has much more time. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3718 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 7:29 am: | |
Winnable Kathy. Very difficult. Must go out now. Will see about hints later. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3719 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 10:37 am: | |
KH,8D,6D up.10C over.AD + AS out. 10H down. 7H up. 2D (RHS) out, JS over. 9C,10D over. AC out.4S up.8C over, AD,2D out.6H down,5H over. 6C up, QC over. (Column 9 cleared). 6C down,KD up. 4H over. 4C down. Still many problems ahead.Let me know if you need any more help. |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 257 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 10:55 am: | |
Richard, nice start, but totally different from mine, and i got it also. Kathy, it is a nice one. Here is my starting sequence. I don't write if up or down, because mostly is only one possibility. 6H TH 8D QD 6D 2C 10C 5C 9H KS 8H (4th column cleared). 6H KS QS 4S 2D(right one) JS 9C TD AC 2C QD (TJ D) TS 3C 4C 5C 2D JD 8C(left one) 2H KH 7D 6D 5D 4H 7D 9D AS 2S 8D 7D Richard, what do you think about my solution? I did not try your start till the end, but as you said, still many problems ahead. |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 258 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 11:01 am: | |
Played your solution to the end. Took me the same time as mine with a difference of about 10 seconds. So, it's the same. Interesting. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3720 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 11:02 am: | |
Any solution is a good solution Markus. The result is the same. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 58 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 12:49 pm: | |
Thanks guys. I couldn't have done it without you. Had to try a few times after your moves, but I love this game and know how to work it. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 59 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 12:50 pm: | |
Now if you could just work a miracle and give me anything on Backbone. I've played 17 games and have only won once. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 60 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 1:29 pm: | |
I take it Clover Leaf #1439095424 is unwinnable. If so, my winning streak is over at 115 games but with 100% accuracy. I've loved this game since I started playing PGS, but I guess it's time to move on to new challenges. |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 262 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 11:26 am: | |
Hi Kathy, i agree, this Clover Leaf game is unwinnable. The combination of the 4H 5H 6H with the 7D 8D 9D at the beginning must get stuck. I don' think, that Richard find a combination to solve this problem. My best score is 42 and i think, it is the maximum. But i wait for Richards answer. When he also agree, we can be sure. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3724 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 12:43 pm: | |
I'm not certain it's unwinnable but it has beaten me every time.It is PROBABLY unwinnable.Solving one problem seems to create another one. I have no idea what my best score is, but I'll make a note of it next time. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 63 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 2:08 pm: | |
I think Ken and Richard and myself are all right in saying it is unwinnable. I've played Clover Leaf for years and this is the first one that has me stumped. |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 263 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 2:12 pm: | |
Richard, you cannot solve the problems with the hearts (4, 5, 6) and the diamonds (7, 8, 9). Watching it, you will see, that it leads to unsolvable circle. I could do all spades, clubs and diamonds, just the hearts had been stuck with the 3. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken) Master Solitaire Player Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1290 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 5:20 pm: | |
Kathy, I appreciate you thinking about me but as my computer time is severely limited by my parents staying with me during the winter, I think you mean "Markus and Richard". |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3726 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 6:14 pm: | |
Haste ye back. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 64 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 11:17 am: | |
Sorry Ken. Here's my list I need help on (anybody): Tuxedo 503027557 Bastion 578293888 Speculation 421354433 Haystack 133309049 |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 269 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 11:59 am: | |
Kathy, the Bastion-game is in my opinion definitely unwinnable with maximum score 2. With the others you have to wait for help from the others, because i don't have them in Mac-Edition. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3729 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 12:24 pm: | |
Tuxedo 503027557 is winnable Kathy. Did you appreciate that you can move blocks of cards of the same suit without having empty cells . This is how I got the game started. Next move the JD up onto the queen. Let me know if you ned further hints. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3730 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 12:59 pm: | |
Your Bastion is a loser as Markus said. My best score with the Speculation is 21 so far. I doubt if it is winnable but I'll keep trying. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3731 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 1:22 pm: | |
You Haystack is winnable. Don't forget that you can put any card onto the Reserve as long as it doesn't contain more than 8. It seems to be essential in this particular deal.Try that before you open my solution. |
paul forsdick (Pondpaul) Master Solitaire Player Username: Pondpaul
Post Number: 579 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 1:28 pm: | |
Hi here is another hard one for you that looks it will muck up my 100% record on this game Algiers game 90 |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3732 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 1:44 pm: | |
Your Speculation is winnable but far from easy Kathy. Taking a trip to Algiers next. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3733 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 2:03 pm: | |
Here is your passport Paul.
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Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 270 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 2:53 pm: | |
When you have some minutes, Richard (Trisha or any other), then try STH #156. It looks like winnable, but it did not open to me so long. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 65 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 2:58 pm: | |
Richard, I'm trying Haystack again before I open your solution. I have to put the KC out from the reserves first so that the reserves will be able to receive one card. I just can't figure out which card to put up there. Now I'll work on Tuxedo. I did know about moving the cards of the same suit without empty cells, but I thought I tried all combinations. I'll keep trying and let you know how I do on both Haystack and Tuxedo. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3734 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 3:07 pm: | |
In the Haystack game I eventually got the 9H into the first column. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3735 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 3:19 pm: | |
This may make more sense Kathy. First you have to get to position #1. Then it is a few quick moves to position #2, when the KC comes down and the 9H goes up.
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Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 66 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 3:22 pm: | |
Richard, got Haystack without using your solution! What a sense of accomplishment. I guess my old brain isn't dead yet. Now on to Tuxedo. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3736 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 3:48 pm: | |
Well done Kathy. It was a beauty! |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 67 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 4:21 pm: | |
Richard, one more hint after I move the 10D onto the QD. I'm starting to get a migraine. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3737 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 4:33 pm: | |
JD onto QD then 10D onto jack. 6D over.3D down.9D over. 9S+10S over. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 68 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 4:55 pm: | |
Richard, after I placed the 9D over, the 8S is blocking the 9S and so I can't place it over to the 10S. This is getting confusing. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3738 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 5:38 pm: | |
Kathy, the 8S and the 9S move simultaneously, both cards in one move. Here is the same picture as I posted earlier but with arrows attached. The instructions are OK.
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Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 69 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 5:55 pm: | |
I'm with you and now am stuck again. How do I upload my screen to let you see where I am? If you're sure it's winnable after the above screen, I'll keep on trying. It seems I need to get the 8, 9 and 10S on the JS. I need the 2C or the 6H in order to win the game. Sorry I'm giving you so much trouble. I'm taking a break now. Maybe later tonight I'll figure it out. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3740 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 6:11 pm: | |
What are you running Kathy? I hope it's Vista. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 70 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 8:38 pm: | |
I'm running Windows XP. I'll try your solution in the other topic in the morning, but I think the game is unwinnable as I've tried every which way I could after getting to the last screen you've given me. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 72 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 11:10 pm: | |
Anybody have a winning game for Q.C. I've won once with #930045632. Other than that, 12 losses. |
paul forsdick (Pondpaul) Master Solitaire Player Username: Pondpaul
Post Number: 580 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2010 - 4:43 am: | |
Hi Kathy Q.C. I have won games 63064349 and 829901441 |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 274 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 12:55 am: | |
Did anyone try my STH #156, for which i asked on 20th january (2:53 pm)? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3752 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 4:49 am: | |
Yes Markus, I did. I've tried it again today and 4 seems to be as high as it wants to go. The position of the kings is the biggest problem. |
Markus Reischl (Markus) Master Solitaire Player Username: Markus
Post Number: 275 Registered: 7-2009
| Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 7:06 am: | |
I am glad to see, you have the same problems. I am sorry, that i don't have at time more problem games for you, but all games i try came out or i get the numbers of Gregg or Mike. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 80 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 1:41 am: | |
Paul, I'm having trouble with Q.C. 63064349. Any clues? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3773 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 6:46 am: | |
Winnable legally. Try to get to the screenshot position. Note what I did with the hearts.
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paul forsdick (Pondpaul) Master Solitaire Player Username: Pondpaul
Post Number: 581 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 8:56 am: | |
Thanks Richard I knew I won it back in 2004 and have being trying all morning with no luck until your post solved again this is the position you should be in at the end of the last deal the 4h coming as last card makes you think it is impossible with 29 cards still in the waste but it is quite easy from here Paul |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3775 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2010 - 9:38 am: | |
Have just sent you an email Paul. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 81 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 25, 2010 - 12:22 am: | |
Will follow all your suggestions here and in the other forum. In the meantime, here are some games I'm having trouble with: Pitchfork 216785713 Haystack 1779675136 Speculation 1457051520 Tuxedo 1525385600 |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 99 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 6:19 am: | |
Need help with Capricieuse #1988592383 - 40-game winning streak at stake. Also, I think Speculation #1610330624 is unwinnable but wanted to make sure before I give up on it.
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3806 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 7:11 am: | |
Your streak goes on. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade) Advanced Solitaire Player Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 100 Registered: 2-2006
| Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 1:20 pm: | |
I've been working on Q.C. #63064349, got to the position with the hearts as Richard showed me above, but I can't seem to win it no matter what moves I'm making. I'm getting frustrated. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland) Master Solitaire Player Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 3816 Registered: 9-2006
| Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 2:16 pm: | |
From the position I posted above, play the cards on the screen onto the foundations and you'll get the next position. Keep playing until you reach the final one but don't play the QD and the KD onto the foundations.
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