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Cliff Smith
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 80.43.19.174
| | Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2005 - 2:44 am: | |
I have been trying this one on and off for ages
any clues I would be gratful Thanks
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Ken Blackwell (Blackie9)
Advanced Solitaire Player
Username: Blackie9
Post Number: 54
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 10:04 am: | |
Hi Cliff,
Here is the game saved. If you dont want that I can back it up and give you some hints.
Jax Ken |
Cliff Smith
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 80.43.63.17
| | Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 9:07 am: | |
Hi Ken
Thanks for your 617 game saved It has come out as a load of numbers and unfortunately I can not make head nor tail of it
Please give me some hints Thanks
Cliff
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Ken Blackwell (Blackie9)
Advanced Solitaire Player
Username: Blackie9
Post Number: 55
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 8:43 pm: | |
Hi Cliff,
Open a game of freecell then look to file open game and open the file you saved from the post, As Paul said if the file extention has changed from pgs change it back.
qh to ks,
2s to space
js to qh
10c to jd
kh to space
ah to found
kh to col 8
js to space
qh to space
ks to space
10s to jh
qs to kh
qh to kc
js to qh
10s to jh
4h to space
5d to 6c
9h to 10s
3c to space
9d to 10c
ac-2c-3c to fount
3s to 4d
4d-3s to col 4
3d to space
as-2s-3s to found
3c from found to 4d
2d to 3c
10c 9d to col 7
jd top space
4s to found
let me know if that does it
Jax Ken
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Cliff Smith
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 80.43.33.105
| | Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 1:55 am: | |
Thanks Ken That one has bugged me for over 2 years The only one in about 5000 that I have not been able to solve
Cliff
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ains
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 206.45.178.150
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 10:23 am: | |
Hi!
I have the MS version of Freecell, which will not let you remove cards once they're banked. This makes step 26 in the listed solution impossible. I've been stuck on 617 forever... any solutions?
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andaval
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 146.6.84.120
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 10:54 am: | |
I just figured out how to solve it: The top priority is the Ac column first, Aces go up in this order: hearts, clubs, spades, diamonds. Keep the 2c uncovered, the Kh goes in the far right column when you open it. That should help.
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Ala n Barnes
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 211.26.208.119
| | Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 4:43 am: | |
ains
at step 26
2d to 3c
4s to 5d
4c to 5h
3d to 4s
4c to found
5h to space
qc to kd
jd to qc
7s to space
been stuck on 617 for two day, Thanks cliff for the help, can not believe how many people play freecell.
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Ryan Miller (Fcperfection)
New Solitaire Player
Username: Fcperfection
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:14 pm: | |
What is the shortest number of moves anyone has found to solve game #617? I have 46 moves, according to the count of another freecell program.... (FCPro). Forgive me for using it.
Can anyone do better? Please share. |
Ryan Miller (Fcperfection)
New Solitaire Player
Username: Fcperfection
Post Number: 2
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 1:17 pm: | |
Update: I just found 45 moves for game #617. Please anyone let me know if they have a solution of less than 45 (though I would enjoy seeing 45 move solutions as well.) |
Ryan Miller (Fcperfection)
New Solitaire Player
Username: Fcperfection
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 1:41 pm: | |
Update: I just found 44 moves for game #617. Please let me know if you have 44 move or shorter solutions for MS freecell game #617. |
LeahM
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 216.189.131.187
| | Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 1:41 pm: | |
I'm new to this forum, but have been stuck on 617 for days. I've tried Blackie9 's solution, but my version also does let me take cards from found. So I tried Ala n Barnes' solution from step 26 and I am still stuck. Please help.
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mecoa.com
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 68.164.133.111
| | Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 4:25 pm: | |
Try this
QH - KS
2S - SPACE
JS - QH
10C - JD
KH - SPACE
AH - BANK
KH - COL 8
JS - SPACE
QH - SPACE
KS - SPACE
10S - JH
QS - KH
QH - KC
JS - QH
10S, JH - QS
4H - SPACE
5D - 6C
9H - 10S
3C - SPACE
9D - 10C
3C - BANK
3S - 4D
3S, 4D - COL 4
3D - SPACE
AS, 2S - BANK
2D - 3S
10C, 9D - COL 7
JD - SPACE
4S - 5D
4C - 5H
3D - 4S
4C - BANK
5H - SPACE
QC - KD
JD - QC
7S - SPACE
KS - COL 2
JS, QH - KS
KS - SPACE
4S - BANK
5D - BANK
7S - COL 4
6C - SPACE
6H - 7S
6C - 7H
5H - 6C
9C, 9S - SPACE
QD - SPACE
KC, QD - COL 3
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martin timmers (Mart65)
New Solitaire Player
Username: Mart65
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 8:51 pm: | |
Hello, I've tried using your solution to freecell game # 617. I can't solve it because, I'm not able to bank the two of spades.... leaving me unable to place the four of diamonds and the three of spades in column #4....
I have windows 98.....Any OTHER suggestions
Marty |
Case
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 216.174.53.43
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 12:44 pm: | |
I've done #617 in ~50 something moves on WinXP, which doesnt allow removing cards from the bank. Made a video in DIVX .avi format because a friend wanted proof that it was winnable, if any of you want it you can leave me a message here.
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Kat Histon
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 83.104.180.151
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 6:18 am: | |
Thanks 4 the solution for 617. i just need to learn it by heart now to really impress my boyfriend. lol
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Danny A. Jones
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 209.142.12.122
| | Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 4:45 pm: | |
Deal #617 can be solved in 39 moves using supermoves ... and 41 moves using MS FreeCell.
#00000617 Attempt: 1 NumFcs=4 (supermoves)
2a 83 27 72 4b 46 42 4c 4d ch
47 74 1c 16 1h 76 83 d8 74 21
2d c2 82 87 27 28 4h 32 3c 34
53 5b 51 5d 5h 35 13 12 15
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#00000617 Attempt: 1 NumFcs=4 (MSFC)
2a 83 27 72 4b 46 42 4c 4d 47
ch 74 1c 16 76 83 d8 1h 74 21
2d c2 82 87 27 28 a2 4h 34 3a
3c 32 52 5h 57 53 5h 13 15 14
12
~~~~~
notation found at www.solitairelaboratory.com
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Timothy Aster (Timaster)
Junior Solitaire Player
Username: Timaster
Post Number: 9
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 11:22 pm: | |
Hi Danny
Thanks for your posts re 1941 and 617. Have you let Michael Keller know about the 41-move (MSFC) solution to 617? He says on his website that the shortest known solution to this deal has 42 moves.
A little-appreciated fact is that, besides the impossible 11982, there are only four deals in the first 32,000 that cannot be solved without manual moves to the foundation: 617 and 1941 are two of them (the others are 4603 & 31465).
Incidentally, do you have concise solutions to 57148 and 739671? These deals make 617 & 1941 look like child's play.
Tim Aster
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Danny A. Jones
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 209.142.12.122
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 2:12 am: | |
Hello Tim,
You're welcome for the previous solutions.
I've supplied Michael Keller with a lot of his latest information. In fact, he's using my solvers to run 1M deals for a number of non-8x4 scenarios as we speak.
I told MK about deal #617 having a 39-move solution using supermoves. That solution translated into 42 moves when expanded to MSFC. However, he's not aware that I later searched for a pure MSFC solution and found a 41-move solution. I suspect that he'll forgive me.
I was also the one who told him about the four deals that can't be solved w/o a manual move to the foundation.
Finally, here are solutions to my three favorite deals in the first 1M 8x4 deals. There are some even more interesting ones in the next 24M deals.
#00031465 Attempt: 1 NumFcs=4 (Pri Multi) 50 moves
1a 62 6b 16 13 13 18 1c 61 6d
c6 b6 d6 4b 4c 41 4d 43 6h 7h
6h d6 4d a4 d4 13 7a 7h 57 5d
51 54 c4 74 7h 81 87 56 d6 31
85 35 3c 3h 3h 3d 87 28 24 2h
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#00057148 Attempt: 1 NumFcs=4 (Pri Multi) 54 moves
1a 1b 5c 1d 41 51 a4 65 6a 61
d1 64 64 74 2d 27 26 b6 27 c7
57 a2 15 8a 18 3b 81 8c 8d 81
a1 3a 8h c8 3c 36 d3 86 28 26
a2 56 b5 35 23 52 56 35 43 4a
43 74 7b 7d
~~~~~
#00739671 Attempt: 1 NumFcs=4 (Pri Multi) 53 moves
6a 8b 8c 86 58 85 65 8d 84 24
c8 6c 68 d8 2d 25 d2 6d b6 d6
7b 76 75 74 87 1d 14 81 71 b7
17 18 28 18 d8 78 41 7b 47 4h
24 36 2h 21 51 57 3h 32 34 52
57 5d 43
~~~~~
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Timothy Aster (Timaster)
Solitaire Player
Username: Timaster
Post Number: 12
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 3:22 pm: | |
Danny -
Forgive me for not being up to the mark! I thought your name sounded familiar when you first began to post here. I went back and read MK's FAQ (which I hadn't looked at for some time, even though I've kept a copy of the html page on my HD) and of course he freely acknowledges his sources of information, who for many of his quoted facts & figures is yourself.
I couldn't remember where I'd learned about 57184 being solvable in under 60 moves, but now I see it was you who found the 54-move solution.
Would you like us to communicate other than via the forum? I am about 80% through writing this book and would welcome some further input from recognised experts in the field - adding this sort of weight to the exercise may help persuade a publisher (of course this would include a consideration, as and when there might be proceeds from its sale). I have sounded Michael out in this respect and sent him some draft copy, but he has not been in touch for a couple of months now.
If you'd like to communicate this way, I will post an accommodation e-mail address.
Best wishes,
Tim
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Danny A. Jones
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 209.142.12.122
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 6:19 pm: | |
Tim -
I'm up to seeing what you need and what I can supply. However, I have a commitment to Michael Keller and his website has a copyright with a lot of my summary results posted there. Also, I recently sent him a CD with detailed results for most of the work that I've done for him. I consider that information to be his personal property. We are still collaborating, but MK is extremely busy now and I only hear from him when he gets a break and needs to run something past me.
The reason I jumped into this forum was to see if I could provide specific help to anyone who might need it. However, you and I definitely need to work off-forum if we're going to keep a discussion going. Contact me at the (fragmented) e-mail address below.
dajones47 (at) hotmail (dot) com
Regards,
Danny A. Jones
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emma
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 82.38.248.4
| | Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 6:41 am: | |
is 11982 winnable? i think it is really impossible... anyone solve it yet? oh please help if u did... thanks xox
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Danny A. Jones
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 209.142.12.122
| | Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:45 pm: | |
Congratulations, you have encountered the first unsolvable FreeCell deal. The good news is that you won't encounter another until you get to deal 146692.
Enjoy all the deals in-between!
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Joe Mullen
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 68.84.169.11
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 4:38 pm: | |
I am having problems with Freecell #2860.
ANy hints or the solution?
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paul forsdick (Pondpaul)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Pondpaul
Post Number: 314
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 11:06 am: | |
Hi Joe
first start with clearing column 2 completely
before starting column 4 then get 3s and work on column 1
if you would like the solution please email me at pondpaul@hotmail.com
good luck
Paul |
Danny A. Jones
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 209.142.12.122
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 7:12 pm: | |
Alternate suggestion for deal #2860:
*) Move KH to a freecell
*) empty column 1 using freecells and other columns
*) Move KC to column 1 and build on it
The rest should fall into place. Good Luck.
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ross t durrant (Rossco)
New Solitaire Player
Username: Rossco
Post Number: 1
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 3:47 pm: | |
game 617 has plagued me for months but i finally cracked it a bit of a fluke probably, but i like a challenge. are there any other evil ones out their.
regards
rossco |
paul forsdick (Pondpaul)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Pondpaul
Post Number: 339
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 4:27 pm: | |
hi Ross
well done for 617
try 1941 10692 35254 57148 739671
regards Paul |
Danny A. Jones
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 209.142.12.122
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 8:59 pm: | |
Hello Ross,
May I suggest that you also try deals 31465, 255317, and 526267.
My solutions to deals 617, 31465, 57148, and 739671 are presented earlier in this message thread. A link to explain the notation used is included with my solution to deal 617. My solution to deal 1941 is presented in another message thread on FreeCell.
Have fun!
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sue renolds
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 71.131.233.247
| | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 7:50 pm: | |
I need help with 35254
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paul forsdick (Pondpaul)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Pondpaul
Post Number: 347
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:04 am: | |
hI Sue
The trick with this one is to concentrate on getting the Diamonds out
in fact you get all the diamonds up to 10d to the foundations before any other ace is able to be put up
I can give you the moves if you would like to email me at pondpaul@hotmail.com if still stuck
regards Paul |
Danny A. Jones
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 209.142.12.122
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 7:11 pm: | |
Hello Sue,
If you're still fighting FreeCell #35254, try the following.
1) Place the 3D on the 4C.
2) After you move the 9D to the 10S, move the QC to a freecell and leave her there.
3) If you have a choice, pair up diamonds with spades and hearts with clubs. This isn't perfect, but it helps in many cases.
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Gary Palmer
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 66.91.238.27
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 1:23 pm: | |
Danny Jones entered a solution for 739671 in Jan '06 which in the third line of text after move 74 calls for a move 87. I have at that point a three, four and five in column 8 and a blank column 7 ??? Is this a mistake?
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Danny A. Jones
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 209.142.12.122
| | Posted on Friday, August 04, 2006 - 6:12 pm: | |
Gary: Yes, that move is correct. It takes this intermediate move so these three cards can eventually end up on top of the 6S. (Note: this is a multi-card move of two cards.)
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