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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5448
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 5:27 am: | |
For a game with a 99% win rating, it is curious that out of the first 10 games both #7 and #9 are unwinnable. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5449
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 5:59 am: | |
F.A.O. Thomas or Gregg
I cannot understand why I cannot get game #13 to record as a loss in the stats. It is unwinnable as there is not a single move that can be made from the deal. This would cause problems if it was introduced in Climb Mode.
#14 is unwinnable too for the same reason. That is now 4 unwinnables out of 14. The 99% rating looks very suspect. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5450
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 6:27 am: | |
Add 16, 18 and 19 to the list of losers Kathy. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1151
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 6:46 am: | |
I don't understand, like you, why it has a 99% win rating with all those losers in the first 20. Especially since if a game is winnable, you'll find a way to win it. I'm going to play later on today if my headache finally stops. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5451
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 6:52 am: | |
Just avoid the ones I mentioned. They ARE losers. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5452
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 10:35 am: | |
24,25,31 and 32 are also losers. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1152
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 10:55 am: | |
Yikes. I just finished #3. I'll have to write these numbers down. They just keep increasing, don't they? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5453
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 11:24 am: | |
Yes! You can add 33,34,36 and 43. Incredible! |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1153
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 11:39 am: | |
I guess it doesn't really matter, but for someone who wants to play an easy game that they can win at most of the time, they're going to be in for a big surprise. |
paul forsdick (Pondpaul)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Pondpaul
Post Number: 640
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 12:30 pm: | |
I wonder if we should start a forum to show the difference between the percentage and the actual percentage.
for Example "All in a row" is classed as easy 95% but looking at the percentage it shows it comes out as 0.4% with only 44 wins in over 10,000 played some of these probably being the same game.
Paul |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1154
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 12:38 pm: | |
I wonder how these percentages are reached? I have yet to win one game of "All in a row". It may be easy to play, but it's hard to win. |
Ken Millar (Tpa_ken)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Tpa_ken
Post Number: 1436
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 6:15 pm: | |
I remember us talking about this a couple of years ago and Thomas posted that when he has some free time (is there such an animal for you, Thomas?) that he was going to revisit the winning percentages. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5454
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 6:52 pm: | |
I believe that all of these are losers too.
45,52,53,56,59,62,63,64,66,67. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1155
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 9:24 pm: | |
Out of curiosity, I looked at the top scores for LPG. Interesting figures. Kind of baffling though. If you haven't already looked at them, do so; you'll know what I mean. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5455
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 2:16 am: | |
I looked at the tables before I even suggested you play LPG Kathy. The thing is that you could study each deal without moving a card and be almost certain that they will come out. Alternatively you could try them under a different name before replaying the winners under your #1 name choice.
I intend playing the first 100 to establish a truer win expectancy. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1157
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 4:12 am: | |
I did forget and played one random number, which I won. I don't know if I really like the game though. Too much concentration for my headache. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5457
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 6:05 am: | |
72,73,76,77,78,79,81,82,84,86,87,88,90,93,94, and 96 complete the losers in the first 100.
That makes a 59% win rate!
Win the ones I've not warned you about and you are top of the table. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1159
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 6:56 am: | |
How did you win/lose those games so quickly? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5459
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 7:05 am: | |
The majority of them took between 2 and 4 minutes. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1162
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 8:25 am: | |
Well I've been through 5 so far, and they all seemed pretty easy. After 6 is when I'll have to start noting the losers in the bunch. |
Gregg Seelhoff (Seelhoff)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Seelhoff
Post Number: 478
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 2:40 pm: | |
>I cannot understand why I cannot get game #13 to record as a loss in the stats. It is unwinnable as there is not a single move that can be made from the deal. This would cause problems if it was introduced in Climb Mode.
True, if one cannot make a move at all, it does not record as a loss (in PGS/normal mode). This is not the case, however, in Climb Mode, where even games with no moves are counted as losses. (This was once a bug long ago, though.)
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5462
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 3:17 pm: | |
Thanks Gregg. If you play one card onto the foundations your score is 9. My logic said that if I played none up my score should have been eight, (the four queens).
Did you see my suggestion for whiting out completed foundations in Madame? |
Gregg Seelhoff (Seelhoff)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Seelhoff
Post Number: 479
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 10:52 am: | |
>If you play one card onto the foundations your score is 9. My logic said that if I played none up my score should have been eight, (the four queens).
Right. The deciding factor is whether any moves have been made. For years, one feature of PGS has been that a player can examine a deal and, before making a move, select another deal without it showing as a loss in the statistics. In this unusual case where no moves are possible, you are asking for the exact opposite. I doubt that this feature is going to change.
>Did you see my suggestion for whiting out completed foundations in Madame?
I did, but since it is PGS [Windows], I made sure that Thomas was aware of it, too.
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Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1175
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 12:05 pm: | |
Are you sure #20 is winnable? I'm having a difficult time with it. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5471
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 12:43 pm: | |
Yes it's winnable OK. In fact there were other ones earlier on that I found far more troublesome.
The screen shot is after 12 moves.
Getting the sevens and eights organized in the third column is the trick. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1176
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 1:56 pm: | |
I can't get it. I get stuck with all 8's and a 10 with no where no put it. I'll try again tomorrow and see if it becomes clearer. I don't know what I'm doing wrong though. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5474
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 4:17 pm: | |
Just looking at the picture I'd play the 2S onto foundations and the 10H onto the king and the 6C onto the 7D. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1178
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 8:13 pm: | |
I haven't been able to get to the positions on the screenshot yet. I don't know how to maneuver the 7's & 8's. Every time I try, I end up with all 7's & 8's and one 10 with no where to put them. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1179
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 9:14 pm: | |
I finally won it. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1180
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 11:21 am: | |
Having problems with #26. It's not on your list of losers, but every way I've tried so far, the cards have been blocked. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1181
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 5:12 am: | |
Is there anyone who can help me with #26? It is supposed to be winnable, but I'm having a hard time with it. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1182
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 12:04 pm: | |
Doesn't anyone want to take a chance and see what I'm doing wrong with #26 since Richard said it was winnable? Where is everyone? Is there another sports event going on, or is no one playing PGS right now? |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 1790
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 3:28 pm: | |
It is winnable Kathy. You can get it. You just have to manipulate those 8, 9's and 10's around. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1183
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 4:48 pm: | |
Thanks for replying Mike. I thought I was the only one here. I'll give it another try. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1184
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 4:53 pm: | |
Got it! I guess I just needed encouragement from someone. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1185
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 10:51 am: | |
Having problems with #42. Any hints? |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1186
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 11:39 am: | |
I've tried every move possible on #42. Richard said it was winnable, but could he have made a mistake? |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 1792
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 4:41 pm: | |
I'm stumped Kathy. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1187
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 6:14 pm: | |
Thanks for trying Mike. I'll have to wait until Richard gets back from wherever he is. He might have just typed in the wrong game number. Maybe he just came from the pub. |
Audrey G Schnell (Paxinc)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Paxinc
Post Number: 243
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 11:35 pm: | |
Kathy: Tried the Madame number that you gave.. used the nine as a starter, without success. Perhaps you could post your opening card choice? A G Schnell |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1188
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 4:52 am: | |
Audrey, the game is "Little Picture Gallery" #42, and I think if you take a look at it, you'll probably come up with the same conclusion Mike and I have that it's unwinnable, unless we're both missing something, but I don't think so. Haven't heard from you in a long time. Hope you're doing well.
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Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5477
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 12:16 pm: | |
I can't win #42 either Kathy. I tried everything I could think of without success. Unless there is some brilliant move that I found previously I can only assume that I made a typing error. I erased my stats as I went along so I've nothing I can check. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1206
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 1:17 pm: | |
That's okay. The real question is "where were you?" Mike and I finally decided you were beamed back up to your mother ship (see other posts). Glad you're back. If it hadn't have been for Mike letting me know someone was here once in a while, I would have thought you all deserted me. |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5478
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 2:27 pm: | |
We just got back a few hours ago Kathy. The red dots on the map will show you where we spent the nights. The one that would interest you the most would be Whithorn.
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/whithorn/whithorn/index.html
I've only had a quick look at the "Is It Winnable" section. Will try to catch up with the other sections later. |
Mike Butler (Butler77)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Butler77
Post Number: 1801
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 10:45 pm: | |
Wow! What a trip. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1207
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 30, 2010 - 5:13 am: | |
When I looked up the Isle of Withorn, it looked like one would be able to look across the waters and see Ireland. It doesn't look that way from your map. It was interesting to find out the Gaelic name. |
Kathy Quade (Kathyquade)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Kathyquade
Post Number: 1208
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 30, 2010 - 5:15 am: | |
P.S. I read Withorn has a population of around 300 people. Is that common among most cities/villages in Scotland? |
Richard Mechen (Richardscotland)
Master Solitaire Player
Username: Richardscotland
Post Number: 5481
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 30, 2010 - 5:43 am: | |
First of all there are two Whithorns about 3 miles apart. The Isle of Whithorn is no longer an island. It's population would be about 400. Whithorn itself would have over twice that. Population densities vary across every country, the main ones in Scotland being......Glasgow 577980. Edinburgh 446110. Aberdeen 179950 and Dundee 141930.
The red dot was where we stayed at Portpartrick. It is only about 30 miles away from Ireland. It has a population of about 600......but I can think of 6 pubz there! It is a busy little place. |
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